Curse

John Ebridge · Feb 08, 2008, 11:43 AM // 11:43

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Originally Posted by Shanaeri Rynale

I would also hope other guilds and alliances who helped people get pigs last year feel the same.

I could not agree more.

@Friday

Luckally there are a lot of people who do have the essence of the game and the community at heart, unfortunately they are a lot less vocal.

tmakinen · Feb 08, 2008, 12:01 PM // 12:01

I believe that the main issue here is again about ANet moving goal posts.

Anet representatives have stated that they like to shake things up every now and then, and on the PvP side this is a desirable thing to prevent the gameplay from getting stuck to a couple of FotM builds. On the PvE side the effects are more contentious. Let's consider, e.g., FoW armor. It takes a lot of effort to acquire but the amount of effort is fixed and well known so that people can judge whether they want to pursue it or not, and that's the way it should be. Imagine the QQ if Anet decided to 'shake things up a bit' and changed the requirements for FoW armor from ectos and shards to bones and glittering dust. Or, added a collector for tattered capes (useless item that hasn't spawned since early days of Prophecies) who trades the cape to a stack of ecto. These kinds of arbitrary decisions to grossly re/devaluate certain items don't make PvE exciting or dynamic, just irritating, especially if it benefits a small subset of players at the expense of everybody else.

However, I don't believe that these kinds of upheavals will taint GW2 through HoM inheritance. If the mechanism works as I've predicted, the rewards are pretty mundane and cosmetic. Like with minis, no matter what you put on the pedestal, as long as there are at least 20 minis you'll get a single mini in GW2, the exactly same mini for everybody regardless of whether your collection is one of kanaxais and polar bears or wallows and devourers. With current prices it is pretty easy to gather enough common minis to meet the goal as well, so don't fret over one missed mini here or there.

zwei2stein · Feb 08, 2008, 12:32 PM // 12:32

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Originally Posted by tmakinen

However, I don't believe that these kinds of upheavals will taint GW2 through HoM inheritance. If the mechanism works as I've predicted, the rewards are pretty mundane and cosmetic. Like with minis, no matter what you put on the pedestal, as long as there are at least 20 minis you'll get a single mini in GW2, the exactly same mini for everybody regardless of whether your collection is one of kanaxais and polar bears or wallows and devourers. With current prices it is pretty easy to gather enough common minis to meet the goal as well, so don't fret over one missed mini here or there.

Don't underestimate anet on this kind of things - there is huge chance of screwing up.

Also, forum QQ is gonna be ... BIG regardless of what they would do (well, they can release correct info long time before it takes into effect to allow flames extinguish themselves by the time it is released ...).

Should "elite" pet collector see that his unique collection gives the same result as ordinary joes white collection, it is not going to be pretty.

Ditto, vice versa.

Lots of people are going to feel "slap in face" when they see how their hom was rewarded compared to someone elses. And that being only cosmetic reward is gonna be small issue for them.

Not pretty.

odly · Feb 08, 2008, 12:34 PM // 12:34

I seem to remember Gayle last year incuraging people to give away pig's when they had more than one, because lot's of people didn't get any for one reason or another.

The whole idea of giving anything to people who decided to keep more than one seems just wrong to me.

hallomik · Feb 08, 2008, 12:34 PM // 12:34

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Originally Posted by tmakinen

I believe that the main issue here is again about ANet moving goal posts.

Anet representatives have stated that they like to shake things up every now and then, and on the PvP side this is a desirable thing to prevent the gameplay from getting stuck to a couple of FotM builds. On the PvE side the effects are more contentious. Let's consider, e.g., FoW armor. It takes a lot of effort to acquire but the amount of effort is fixed and well known so that people can judge whether they want to pursue it or not, and that's the way it should be. Imagine the QQ if Anet decided to 'shake things up a bit' and changed the requirements for FoW armor from ectos and shards to bones and glittering dust. Or, added a collector for tattered capes (useless item that hasn't spawned since early days of Prophecies) who trades the cape to a stack of ecto. These kinds of arbitrary decisions to grossly re/devaluate certain items don't make PvE exciting or dynamic, just irritating, especially if it benefits a small subset of players at the expense of everybody else.

However, I don't believe that these kinds of upheavals will taint GW2 through HoM inheritance. If the mechanism works as I've predicted, the rewards are pretty mundane and cosmetic. Like with minis, no matter what you put on the pedestal, as long as there are at least 20 minis you'll get a single mini in GW2, the exactly same mini for everybody regardless of whether your collection is one of kanaxais and polar bears or wallows and devourers. With current prices it is pretty easy to gather enough common minis to meet the goal as well, so don't fret over one missed mini here or there.

I really do not understand why people are getting upset. It is hard to do anything semi-interesting without changing the value of this or that item. People who stocked up on fireworks now get a benefit. People who used them or gave them away missed an opportunity because the value of those items have now increased.

Anet didn't do this to "get" anyone or "hurt" anyone or to "spite" the community. Over time, most items gradually lose their rarity and become cheaper. Items that can only be acquired once or are released in limited quantities often gain value over time.

Yes, if you could get FOW armor with dust and bones, that would be a problem. Is this change even remotely comparable?

Anet made changes that benefit those that held on to their pigs & fireworks. No one who gave them away has been hurt in any real sense. They just don't get a lucky bonus. To ascribe all sorts of nefarious motives to Anet is silly. All of the conspiratorial self-pity is not attractive at all.

I personally dedicated my pigs and then trashed them. C'est la vie. I can thing of a few worse things that have happened to me. For instance, the diet coke I got at the deli yesterday was only 3/4 full. Curse that waitress!

Lonesamurai · Feb 08, 2008, 12:48 PM // 12:48

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Originally Posted by Numa Pompilius

They already have. I've already decided not to pre-order GW2 due to decisions in GW, and no, it's got nothing to do with any minipets like the pig (very minor annoyance that anet is price-fixing the minipig; mainly it is hard to avoid the suspicion they're doing this on behalf of someone) or the polar bear (no annoyance at all), or even how ANet handles events (great, except for the information to the players). EDIT: Oh and seriously - complaining about the BMP? You, like me, got something for free for buying GW:EN. Now people have to pay $10 for the same thing. If THEY, the people who have to pay, were complaining, then I'd understand it, but complaining about getting something for free?!

No, the reason I wont be preordering is to do with changing the whole philosophy of GW from "skill over time" to "time over skill". I don't like it, and if it, as I suspect, is indicative of GW2, then I guess it's time for me to go back to playing FPS's.

Best post of this thread

Sorry Rahja mate, I know your not greedy, but surely you knew this thread would degrade to flamesand whining

Cacheelma · Feb 08, 2008, 01:05 PM // 13:05

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Originally Posted by Lonesamurai

Best post of this thread

Sorry Rahja mate, I know your not greedy, but surely you knew this thread would degrade to flamesand whining

The post is off-topic, at best (although I agree with him somewhat). How can you call it "Best post of this thread" is beyond me.

Theo Godscythe · Feb 08, 2008, 01:22 PM // 13:22

Maybe a few Elementalists should cast multiple Wards Against Harm...at least for a few seconds we wont be affected by flames. Anyway let's not get carried away, we well have lots of chances to get this new pet, and even if we did get "screwed over" it's just the shotgun effect, you shoot [punish] one person and everyone gets hit somehow.

Holly Herro · Feb 08, 2008, 01:25 PM // 13:25

I'm sorry, but there's nothing you can do about it now.

Who cares, they're not going to be able to sell them for that much. And only idiots would buy them for that much, after the festival, they'll go down.

Lonesamurai · Feb 08, 2008, 01:26 PM // 13:26

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Originally Posted by Cacheelma

The post is off-topic, at best (although I agree with him somewhat). How can you call it "Best post of this thread" is beyond me.

Because its a whine thread and should be closed

shoyon456 · Feb 08, 2008, 01:33 PM // 13:33

yeah its decisions like this that have made me feel "done" with guildwars, it was a nice run but no way am i buying into GW2 if these kind of "spur-of-the-moment" changes carry over into GW2's economy, and thats all it boils down to for me

When something a year old that was never alluded to being valuable in the future goes from 0-1k to 20-25k overnight, theres a problem with that in my mind

I didn't even bother give my extras away, too many people had them for that, so I just chucked em

boxterduke · Feb 08, 2008, 01:34 PM // 13:34

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Originally Posted by Aerian_Skybane

This thread is filled with greed-laced fail.

Cmon now, are you serious? Are you really that upset about something, do you only give things to people when you have a motive for yourself? Its not like the rat is going to be hard to get anyways.

If you are complaining about people what people do with something you gave them, then you are less idiotic, but if you are complaining that its ANets fault, holy jeebus you need help..

I donot think Raja, is greedy, I think he is saying that he gave away all his pigs and now if he wants one to trade with the new mini then who's going to give him one for free, like he gave away.

I had 10 left over last year and made a thread on gwonline and some kind of contest and gave away the minis to new comers to the game.

You think people will give me one for free (the majority anyway).
I'm lucky that one person in my guild was kind enough to give me one.

But if I had no one to give me a pig then I would have to buy one.

The funny thing is, if Anet then provides this so called new mini surprise in tons after the end of the festival just like they did with the mini pigs.

P.S, many great thanks to my guildie for giving me one for free, if you are reading this buddy I owe you one

JeniM · Feb 08, 2008, 01:39 PM // 13:39

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Originally Posted by boxterduke

The funny thing is, if Anet then provides this so called new mini surprise in tons after the end of the festival just like they did with the mini pigs.

If they don't then i'm following suit with a few other people and quiting, mass walk out FTW

Numa Pompilius · Feb 08, 2008, 01:45 PM // 13:45

I think people are missing the most important thing about the minipig trade in:

WHY?

Why does ANet suddenly care that the minipig was the most common minipet, and that it was very cheap (typically selling for 1-2K)?

I can see three possible reasons:

1) Server load. During events ANets servers get bogged down, and a big part of that load is all the hundreds of minipets. By draining the most common minipet off the market, they may be hoping to lower server load during the event.
2) There is some in-game problem with the minipet. Something about it which somehow is a problem to gameplay. Broken textures, overly complex model slowing peoples graphics down... anything.
3) Some player has asked ANet to make the pig rarer, and hence more expensive.

If the reason turns out to be 3), that is a problem, because then ANet has helped someone play the in-game market.

That would be similar to what happened in EVE, where employees helped a particular corporation gain unfair advantages.

MasterPatricko · Feb 08, 2008, 01:46 PM // 13:46

Well, here's a thought:

There will be a way to get more pigs this festival.
I guarantee it.
Think about it: if ANet implemented the pig collector without a method to get more pigs, all the players who started playing after last years festival are, unless they manage to buy a couple of pigs, out of luck. ANet do not do this - their holiday festivals are always self-contained and accessible to all.
ANet have NEVER implemented something that REQUIRED people to have been playing for a certain length of time. The closest they got to having "requirements" was the Black Moa Chick mini which required you to own all the campaigns, which doesn't completely prevent anyone from completing it. The only thing in the entire game that ANet intentionally made impossible to get in the future is festival headgear. Everything else has ALWAYS been accessible to both new accounts and old accounts.

Jongo River · Feb 08, 2008, 01:47 PM // 13:47

Anybody for picketing the collector when he arrives?

Sub Frost · Feb 08, 2008, 01:54 PM // 13:54

Quick question. Why are some people under the impression, that the mini pig collector is going to give a item/mini that the rest won't be able to obtain?

Did people actually read the special event page?

Cacheelma · Feb 08, 2008, 02:03 PM // 14:03

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Originally Posted by MasterPatricko

Well, here's a thought:

There will be a way to get more pigs this festival.
I guarantee it.
Think about it: if ANet implemented the pig collector without a method to get more pigs, all the players who started playing after last years festival are, unless they manage to buy a couple of pigs, out of luck. ANet do not do this - their holiday festivals are always self-contained and accessible to all.
ANet have NEVER implemented something that REQUIRED people to have been playing for a certain length of time. The closest they got to having "requirements" was the Black Moa Chick mini which required you to own all the campaigns, which doesn't completely prevent anyone from completing it. The only thing in the entire game that ANet intentionally made impossible to get in the future is festival headgear. Everything else has ALWAYS been accessible to both new accounts and old accounts.

Anet never give out an old hat from the past events either. This event is going to be the first. Not to mention how this event is the first hat event NOT TO GET A NEW HAT AT ALL, as well.

So there.

Free Runner · Feb 08, 2008, 02:10 PM // 14:10

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Originally Posted by Sub Frost

Quick question. Why are some people under the impression, that the mini pig collector is going to give a item/mini that the rest won't be able to obtain?

Did people actually read the special event page?

Your right Gaile hasnt said anything about...oh wait.

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Originally Posted by Gaile

The special reward for exchanging a number of Miniature Pigs from last year is only available through an exchange, it will not be given at the end of the event or through fortunes. (Naturally, you can trade for the mini.)

MasterPatricko · Feb 08, 2008, 02:15 PM // 14:15

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Originally Posted by Cacheelma

Anet never give out an old hat from the past events either. This event is going to be the first. Not to mention how this event is the first hat event NOT TO GET A NEW HAT AT ALL, as well.

So there.

The Furious Pumpkin Crown and the Pumpkin Crown are basically the same. They'll probably just do that again. That doesn't invalidate my point. ANet would not do something that excludes new players completely.